If you read the heading of this blog, you will know what it is about. It's been put up there plain as day. You don't have to read between the lines or under them or over them.
Many good people have been unfairly attacked by Sharon Bowers and she has refused numerous times to post well-thought out cogent arguments to her posts and instead suggested that we start our own blog. We did.
All we really hear from her is about how she is being attack and discredited as part of a wide conspiracy to shut down dissent, and how everyone is corrupt, or they are alcoholics, wife beaters, extortionists, bullies and on and on.
This blog has pointed out numerous times that it's not the issues that Sharon Bowers rails against, it's the people around them, using the issues as an excuse to extract her own pound of flesh, making up information, exaggerating and misdirecting.
There's only so many times you can go up to someone and poke them in the eye before there is a response. If she stopped being offensively critical of people in this town, and many of them are private citizens, not public figures, who are being dragged through her blog the same way a dog scratches its arse on the carpet, this blog will stop. It has been demonstrated when she went into retirement this spring that we will do that, but then she decided to come out of retirement.
So until Sharon Bowers stops her psychotic, anti-social campaign against just about everyone in town, this blog will continue to expose Sharon as the anti-social psychotic that she so strongly has demonstrated time and again and again and again ad nauseum.
When some stranger searches on the internet for Fort Erie or Crystal Beach or anything she vomits about, and happens across the Crystal Beach Strand, they will also have the opportunity to read this blog as well.
I can't think of anyway to say that any simpler or clearer.
WTF America???!??!?!?!?
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Ok, this IS going to sound Anti-American, but it's not. Not exactly. I love
a number of American citizens, and I'm sure they're not this warped.
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37 comments:
I have to post this in multiple parts. It won't accept so many characters.
Debate? I'll give you one. Considering your challenge is veiled in insults, I'd say you got this off to a real good start.
Bay Beach -- As the proposal has been presented so far, I don't think it's the right development. I want to see how the plan pans out before I comment any further.
But one thing is for sure, most of the community was shocked that the Town intended to pay $2 million for a beach that included lands that they didn't even want. But council of the day assured us that it would seek some way to get some money out of that land, and the simplified alternative was to sell the non-beach land.
Disagree with that all you want, as is your right. My only point is that I want the Corporation of the Town of Fort Erie, led by its board of directors, the Municipal Council, to keep its word on that point.
It seems that those opposed, and especially those with "incredible" opinions on the matter, want the Town to reneg on the deal it made with the community when it purchased the property.
At least the Friends of Crystal Beach and specifically Paul Lewis, John McCarthy and Phil Smith are willing to forward ideas to help meet that goal. These are the "credible" opponents.
The "incredible" opponents just say, "oh so and so is corrupt, so and so is lining his pockets, so and so was fired from his previous job," and anyone with a divergent opinion is labelled a "loser," "dim," "apologist" or "shill" to mention only a few of the names thrown about.
Life is not a Jerry Springer episode.
Why did I support Doug Martin for mayor? Those reasons were fully explained when I endorsed him in the paper -- the only newspaper to publicly step into the fray with endorsements in the local elections, knowing full well what the consequences to my reputation would entail. You don't have to go too much farther than the Strand blog for evidence of that. Not too bad for someone with "no balls," a "coward" and a "wimp" who drinks himself senselessly and pisses himself in between bouts of rage and scarfing down Happy Meals.
My reasons were also fully explained to you, personally, on the phone when you called me. Remember what I said? That you were nuts if you thought you could come out of the blue and knock off Redekop. You apparently didn't deign to inform me that you had run for election in Crystal Beach in 2000. What did you say when I said you would be better off running for council instead of mayor? You said that people can't get anything done on council. You did not say that you had tried and failed to win a council seat in 2000. Pretty important information if you ask me. And how long did it take after repeated emails to answer one question. In how many elections have you been a candidate?
There are postscripts to what I wrote in The Herald. And, unless you ask, I am not going to publish them. There is an ethical situation involved because you are a private citizen. You are not a public figure, and therefore, not accountable to the public, and I don't expect or demand that you be.
The same goes for Tom Lewis. What I wrote when he was an elected public servant is what I wrote, and he is now a private citizen and off-limits. Same with Richard Berry. There was no innuendo. If people want to read more into something that I write, go ahead. But I deal in black ink on white paper in 10-point type and great big headlines.
What I write, I put my name on. Do not include me in your vilification of Canuck or Murphy or the many people named Anonymous. They choose to be unidentified for exactly the reason illustrated daily in the local blogosphere.
I will point out that at no time ever was the information I presented challenged or questioned. Oh, but I definitely heard what they had to say about me -- not the stories, but me, my family and my people. Perhaps they thought that if they wrote a letter or made a phone call or pigeon-holed me at a council meeting, that I would respond the same as Bowers, but they would have no evidence to justify their concern. That's the difference with me. Publishing a newspaper gives the publisher the de-facto last word -- and I have never abused that. I have corrected facts, but not chastised people for expressing their honestly-held opinions.
Taxes have gone up 33 per cent. That's false. I will have to go into my files and then up to town hall to get this year's tax rate and assessment information. I will do that presently.
The EDTC -- You are critical of the EDTC, saying Fort Erie has the second-highest unemployment rate in Ontario. I question that statistic, first of all, but let's say it's true. Well, without Fleet, DMI or the racetrack, Fort Erie would no longer be the penultimate in employment. Don't forget Rich's was about ready to pull the plug on my town, too, a few years ago.
The $250,000 the town gave for racetrack operations this year is about three-quarters of the Town's slots revenue for only the most recent fiscal quarter. The betting handle at the track on a good day -- and there's been plenty this year -- is $1 million. About $100,000 of that goes straight into the pockets of -- how many people work there? 300? And how many people work for the training outfits, the farms, the suppliers, the restaurants and more. Without horse racing, there would be no slots. That's more than $1 million that would evaporate from the town's budget. It's about $13 million (if I recall correctly and my math was right) in wages and a huge chunk of change for the province, to pay for, among other things, a $2 million grant to the EDTC, a major drainage project in Crescent Park, health care and so on.
Two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in that context is chump change. But wait, Issac Tshuva is a foreigner. Remind me, is General Motors not a foreign company? Okay, it's publicly traded on the stock exchange, but it gets its marching orders from Detroit and I'm sure many shareholders are foreign.
There is nobody, nobody in this town -- except those who are opposed to horse racing and gambling -- who does not believe, know, that if the race track closed its doors, it would be the darkest day in Fort Erie history.
If you want to know more about the $2 million Communities in Transition grant from the Ministry of Economic Development, do an FOI -- not on the EDTC or the Town, but the Ministry. Request the application and the agreement and read all about it. I would, but I'm rather satisfied with the answers I got from Thibert and the board. I am generally satisfied with the answers I get from the EDTC most of the time. I don't like them sometimes, but they're answers.
If Thibert wants to tell Ann-Marie Noyes to go pound salt, he's emminently justifed. If Noyes has a problem with the EDTC, she should take it up with the people who are expressly appointed to be accountable to the Town, not their employee.
I'm tired now. I'll get back to you on the taxes, the number of employees in the town, and that would just about take care of everything. If you want a public debate, my fee will be $1,200. No make it $1,500. I'll give you an invoice with all applicable taxes.
A case of beer for that? In your dreams.
I'll buy the beer for that and I will make it two cases of premium beer. Here here Mr. Cloutier
It seems as if they are ignoring you. I guess they know when they are outmatched.
Please Canuck,
Don't pat yourself on the back by thinking people are ignoring Mike's comments or feel they are outmatched.
You 6 hour time frame between Mike's comment and yours hardly constitutes defeats. Some people have other things to do besides sit infront of a computor.
I will respond to Moke's words in due time.
For the most part his points were presented responsibly are as much as I respect his points of you I will post my own ..... when I have time.
Well then, I suppose you can respond to Sharon's post saying that everyone is a coward because no one responded to your challenge that was written a few hours after Mike's post so obviously some people do spend hours and hours in front of a computer.
Canuck, Shut the F*#K up. I posted reasonably and said I will offer my opinion on those topics posted by Mike and yet you have to come back with your childish, negative response.
My intent WAS to agree with Mike on some of points posted, and question a others, based on my knowledge.
Now I figure, what's the use ...... if I don't follow your little threesome's opinion, then my views are uncredible.
So carry on ..... I was ready to post a responsible response, but now realise that THIS blog is indeed run by and supported by a bunch if immature children.
yikes
You tak of being childish! Childish is a newspaper printing letters such as the one yesterday. Childish is the same paper printing two other letters from two councilors in the previous weeks. It seems childish runs rampent in this town, not only from those that wish to run the town, but from those that do run the town and from those that are reporting on the town. I think the whole lot of you need to grow up.
The Times, hummm, I think I will be using that in the bathroom from now on, thats about all it's good for.
I don't know why Richard Nabi's letter to the editor was printed in the Times,maybe the editor is liking the idea of tit for tat politics.The sad part is the opposition is not formitable in Fort Erie.Mud slinging from Richard Nabi is comical.He seems to make himself look like a nut-bar everytime he uses his small brain or does Richard Berry have his hand up Nabi's Ass,kind of like a puppet show!
I want to make a prediction.By the time the next municipal election nears,Bowers army of misfits will all be either up for criminal charges or pregnant! Or both.The only problem is what kind of prison is willing to take them in? Maybe a funny farm will suffice.
John Papadakis responded in the Strand. Here it is, in two parts.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Part 1
Mr. Cloutier,
I never have and never will post on the other blog
If I have something to say to you I WILL post my name.
Every day more and more people share a vision different from yours and similar to mine, it is the shape of things to come.
The following is a list of responses to some of your posted diatribe in that “other” blog of which unlike Ms. Bowers the editor of that blog is too much of a coward to post hers or his name.
I have not gone into detail nor have I responded to all of your accusations and comments I would prefer to explain my position and rebuttals to you personally and the public in an open debate in a live public forum.
Pleas consider the following; they are in no particular order.
I do not know of or have any intent to verbally condescend yours or anyone’s family and any suggestion of such is unprofessional and sorry, pathetic lies.
To the best of my knowledge I did inform you that I registered as a candidate in the 2000 election. I did so to bring attention the money that was wasted on the terrible sidewalk and roadwork done in Crystal Beach in 2000. I knew I was not going to win. Sometimes it is what you have to do to bring attention to a matter. See our sideways and roads lately? Such well spent tax dollars.
Perhaps it was one of those instances like the one where you where very intoxicate at a town council meeting and began a verbal assault against me with the town clerk Caroline Kett standing behind me , and every member of the former council watching your antics. Attending a town council session in an intoxicating form is very unprofessional.
I believe you were living here in 2000 did you happen to miss that election?
All my achievements and my political history is a matter of public record, you wanted me to do your work for you.
The fact that I have run in several elections is indicative that when I believe in something I do not give up on it, in my opinion that is a virtue this community needs.
I still stand by my statement that you cannot get anything done on council, unless you “tow the line”.
This council dose not listen to the people, what part of that do you not understand?
Any citizen has the right to questions the actions of their elected officials and the actions of the town administration. It’s called democracy. From your comments you make it sound like the mayor and council are an Oligarchy who is not accountable to the people and Not a Democracy which must be accountable to the people. In this sir you are very wrong.
You say you are “neutral” but you seem to have left out a lot about your arrangements with certain organizations.
Your publications are biased and you are biased- every one is free to make a choice you have clearly made your- don’t hide it
John Papadakis- Part 1
August 16, 2009 2:44 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Part 2 of 2
You can support who ever you want for the reasons you choose- all of them. I do not believe that the Mayor has delivered on what he said he would. The next election will determine with whom the voters will agree with.
A blogger commented that “I won the debate but lost the election”. The blogger is correct Doug Martin became Mayor and so far has raised property taxes aproximatley 33% almost the same with water.
When you publish the total amount of property tax increased by the Doug Martin since he got elected don forget to include Regional Tax increases as Mayor Doug Martin sits as a regional councilor as well, and has voted in favor of every tax increase.
NO staff member has any right to be a bully and whine to the mayor and not have to answer a direct question from Anne Marie Noyes or any Councillor elected by the people. This is true especially for the ETDC which eats up approximately seven hundred thousand dollars a year and is ZERO in the accountably and transparency factor.
The organization Known as Keep Bay Beach Lands Public Association is very creditable. We provide facts and truth about the Towns intent and the development and just how wrong it is on so many levels, which is needed to correct the misrepresentation on the taxpayer funded ads by the town. We are working on uses for the lands that will invite the local residents as well as tourist to a pleasant and fun environment- something our well paid staff seems unable to do.
I chose to run for mayor because I did and still believe that my knowledge, education, experience and lessons of serving in a large community would benefit our town far greater that the current Mayor. If you do not agree that is your choice.
The dark days in Fort Erie happened in the past with the closing of the park and the failure of staff and council to seize a once in a lifetime opportunity to create a waterfront tourist attraction for our town. The closing of Fleet industries, Horton steel and many others, the loss of all the small business that makes up the uniqueness of a community
The Darkest days are already here with Niagara regions unemployment rate including Fort Erie as the second highest in Canada.
If is unfortunate that you place a price of $1200- correction $1500 on your beliefs and values –shows your colours.
None the less my challenge to you still stands.
Mr. Cloutier, in the end I believe that your intention are for the betterment of our community but that they are misplaced and misdirected, those who you support have mislead you. Like you, I and many people in this community have and are living through difficult and trying times. I invite you to look around you and reconsider your stance. I believe in your right to freedom of speech but understand clearly that I will not tolerate your intimidation, bully tactics and attacks in ANY of your publications. Please take this as a fact that I will respond accordingly and vigorously.
John Papadakis
August 16, 2009 2:49 PM
The is John Papadakis' original challenge.
John Papdakis said...
I have been observing the diatribe from that “other blog” as well as the discussions from your Blog Editor. Wow! How the apologist for the developers and the Town have become bitter and vindictive. I find it intriguing how people who have enough common sense to see that the development of 2 twelve story high rise condos on the last remnants of our treasured public lands to what may be either Town beach front or Federal Government beach front property. The loss of this beach front property is just plain wrong on many many counts. Certain senior town staff, the Mayor and some councillors has already decided that this is going to happen, that the planning process and the planning ACT is just and irritant they need to go thru. This current council has no mandate to do this, yet they have the delusion that they can ignore the will of the people who elected them. To the supporters, please give me your reason why you support Mayor Doug Martin’s current council, and his administration. So far his council has:
Increased property taxes on your property by more than33%!
About the same with water and! Get this- we get rewarded for conserving water by hiking the water rates in and around 30% this council term because the town and region (“nothing to report there”) are losing revenue!
The town has one of the most bloated and top heavy –and well paid staff for a town of its size in Ontario
Our unemployment rate is the SECOND! Highest in Ontario and the EDTC which consumes about SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND TAX DOLLARS a year and is ZERO on the transparency and accountability factor is busy giving $2 MILLION DOLLARS to a Foreign own race track which may close next year. Yet small business and large are closing all around us.
This council DOES NOT LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ELECTED THEM!
This council applied to the Provincial Government to GET the $2MILLION DOLLARS to give to a Foreign owned race track yet it has a need to sell off the last of our public beach lands against the mandate of the people?!!
Therefore since your vileness and hatred for any of us who dare question and challenge the actions of our elected officials’ results in nothing more than false derogatory attacks on us n the community, I challenge the following individuals to an open and public debate – preferably live on Cogeco, live on radio and in a public forum.
Mayor Doug Martin
Councillor Tim Whitfield
Councillor Martha Lockwood
The silent majority (please consult with Martha Lockwood to see if you qualify)
Any other Councillor
Mike Cloutier
Peter Koutroulakis
The life form known as “Canuck” from that “other” blog- you can wear a bag over your face if you are afraid to show it in a public debate with me
Any Town Senior staff member
And any of your little group
I invite any and all those in our community who have endured the antics of this group to join me in this challenge but know this, I can and am willing to take any of you in a open public debate alone!
If any of you have enough guts to justify your position then PLEASE accept my challenge and show me what you’re made off.
Time to walk the walk and not just talk the talk.
John Papadakis
August 13, 2009 9:04 PM
Soounds like we are going to have a school yard brawl, more childish actions. Papadakis can grow up as well.
Re: John Papadakis' reply in the Strand
A diatribe you call it? My dictionary defines diatribe as a forceful and bitter attack against someone. Some of its synonyms are tirade, harangue, onslaught, attack, polemic, denunciation, broadside, fulmination, condemnation, censure, criticism.
I don't see how you got that from my response to your challenge to a debate. I addressed a number of your points directly with facts and answered your questions.
You write: "I have not gone into detail nor have I responded to all of your accusations and comments I would prefer to explain my position and rebuttals to you personally and the public in an open debate in a live public forum."
You wrap it up: "If is unfortunate that you place a price of $1200- correction $1500 on your beliefs and values shows your colours. None the less my challenge to you still stands."
You're right, it does reflect on my beliefs and values. New fee is $2,000, considering you've changed the goal posts some and launched into comments about me. I was not part of the points you made or questions you posed in the challenge. You better get your purchase order in quick because the Harmonized Sales Tax is taking effect next year.
You question the veracity of my statement that you did not inform me that you had run for election in Crystal Beach. You ask if I missed that election.
You write: "All my achievements and my political history is a matter of public record, you wanted me to do your work for you."
My comments regarding you are a direct response to your question about my support of Doug Martin as the mayor. They were printed in the newspaper at the time between registration closing and election day. You did not challenge the comments then, so your case here is weak at best.
If you want to press the case then you'll have me in a pickle -- simply your word against mine. I may still have the notes from the conversation; the problem is I usually don't write down what people do not say.
Where was I in 2000? I was living in Stevensville humping my ass out of bed six mornings a week at six for my 7 a.m. shift in a factory and plying my trade off-hours as a freelance writer, editor and publisher. It didn't dawn on me to pay attention to the Crystal Beach election when I knew Haggerty was going to mop up.
On nice days I went to Crystal Beach to visit my friends and sometimes went swimming. You know that 600 foot stretch of beach east of Ashwood? It wasn't a public beach until Davis Tiburzi, the developer of the Vinyl Village, gave that land to the town as parkland dedication for his subdivision.
All your achievements and your political history are a matter of public record. That is true, but they are not easily accessible. Once my homework turned up the fifth instance of an election campaign -- and your 2000 campaign, I decided to take the direct approach and emailed you. Just how much homework would it have required from you to answer the question, in how many elections were you a candidate? How many is "several?"
You also write: "You say you are 'neutral' but you seem to have left out a lot about your arrangements with certain organizations."
That comment, my good man, requires clarification and specificity from you.
You write some more: "Your publications are biased and you are biased- every one is free to make a choice you have clearly made your- don’t hide it."
That's true, but my biases have never stood in the way of documented, verifiable, corroborated facts from being published so that people can inform themselves and form considered opinions. I put my strongly-held opinions up high with all flags flying. But I do not, ever compromise truth for my opinion.
I was going to finish my first three-part "diatribe" as you call it by wrapping up with your questions about taxes and town staff, but I'm not. Instead, I am challenging you, Mr. Papadakis, to show me the evidence that:
-- Taxes have gone up 33 per cent. And no, you can not include the Regional portion in that. If you want to argue about Regional taxes, go to Thorold. Try getting heard there.
-- The Town has "one of the most bloated and top heavy –and well paid staff for a town of its size in Ontario."
I'm not trying to be an apologist for the Town. I'm just saying, show me. If your points are correct, I have no argument with you.
I did do my homework, and if your statements don't match the documents I have, I will offer the counter-point
I looks like Mr. Cloutier has cornered his debate opponent and is winding up to deliver the knockout blow depending on what Mr. Papadakis can come back with.
I have to make a correction regarding the racetrack operations. As I recall when I spoke to Herb McGirr last in general terms this summer about the racing handle, I think he said $80,000 goes back to the track from a $1 million racing day, not the $100,000 I stated.
The average "takeout" for the live product is about 15 per cent and the takeout from the broadcast product is about two or three per cent. The broadcast handle far exceeds the live handle.
Sundays are the best handle days. Mondays and Tuesdays are about $500,000.
Once you pay for the starters, outriders, etc. -- just the Nordic employees on the field to help make those horses go -- the takeout is gone, he said.
That wouldn't include, I don't think, the food and beverage people because they are dealing with their own revenue stream.
But it would include purses, which the handle doesn't fully cover.
Maybe I'll do the numbers on the whole operation, and you all can read it in a forum where I get paid for my work.
I'm also going to step in on overly harsh criticism of The Times.
You shouldn't dismiss the paper out of hand because of a pair of ill-advised letters to the editor -- and I would include Tim Whitfield's letter in that pair.
The editor is well within his policy to rigorously edit anything he gets. He should have done that with Whitfield's letter because, although his complaint is valid, the tone and words went too far from my conservative stand point. The same for the Nabi letter.
No, if I was in that situation at the paper -- and I was -- I'd clamp down on the letters from the whack jobs. If they don't like it, they can send them to The Post.
Soon people will not be afraid to express their honestly-held cogent opinions in The Times and develop a vibrant useful forum for community discussion, and the whack jobs will be relegated to media elsewhere.
I had to explain that to the suits after they got complaints. I was glad, because the board room in St. Catharines was air conditioned.
To paraphrase how I closed the discussion then: "Sis Boom Bah, see ya later Post."
I think he's going to poke him a few more times on the chin first, or what is it when he doesn't come out of his corner for the next round?
technical knock out
Hey PissPants ....err ....ummm.... I mean Mike.
Please don't construe the fact that no one has come up with the $2000 to debate with you as a concession that you have intimidated anyone.
The truth of the matter is that your opinion or comments aren't worth a lot.
See that Canuk's blog has been quiet for the last few days. Guess the attraction from the "real" blog, passed on some interest to his.
Gotta admit Mr. Depends, you were on a good streak there until you posted your "Sis Boom Bah, see ya later Post."
That once again reminded us all of your inability to see the picture.
So ..... where are you now? Living off of the population, and after how many years, still trying to expect people to take you seriously.
My suggestion .... close up the herald, get yourself a bike (oops .... you already ride one) put a carrier on the front and deliver the Times
5 whole days to come up with that . . . impressive
YIKES ....ROFLMFAO
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There she goes again .. accusing me of several things including be a reliable source. I did not provide any information to anyone regarding Papa whatever his name is . she has accused me of running away, doing shody work, keeping retainers ,, bad spelling .. well ok on the bad spelling but the other crap , lies , spins... i replied to her accusations, doubt she is going to print anything .. I even printed my name below my reply.
Hey Mike what about all this Wilson crap in the uniblogger's blog?
Regarding 2010 municipal elections and the mud-slinging that has already started...first of all...all sides and people should do their homework. There are many public records, Freedom of Information Act, subtle ways to find out the pertinent information citizens should be entitled to. Public records are one thing - but we have to look at the whole picture when considering someone to respresent us in our town: their proven record as hardworking; their reputation within their community; their service work; proven leadership (not just leadership "skills") and REAL life successes in these andmany other areas, not just talk, not just ideas. PROOF.
Are YOU doing your homework? Maybe you are looking in the wrong book...
She is worried about a meeting at the coal docks. Maybe she thinks it will hamper Avalon's plan to put "Tiny" Tim Lewis in the Mayor's chair.
Here is another comment that the other blog didn't bother to print.Sharon Bowers insists that John Papdakis still lives in his home.To clarify that statement I wrote that the sheriff seized the property that his family owned.It turns out that John mortgaged the property that was free and clear of debt then renegged on the creditors.A recent sale of the property fell through because the title of the property has been compromised by the Mayor to be,(John)as I stated, take a drive into Crystal Beach, it is on the corner of Belfast st. and Cambridge rd.See for yourself the vacant property where he lived for yourself.Notices on the windows and no sign of John.Now the creditors and the estate of the late father of the Mayor to be,are in legal proceedings.The word on the street is that John swindled the mortgagee in thinking that John was the legal owner of the property.Bad Johnny,bad,bad,bad.
What do I think about the Wilson crap on the UnaBlog? About the same as I feel about any crap from that direction.
'word on the street' about papadakis' continuing financcial woes..is interesting, and has SOME truths to it, except,papadakis never lived at cambridge-belfast.
he is listed in the book on Wellington. belfast-cambridge is where his late father lived, and the property (2 houses). word on my street is it was left to his granddaughter who lived there with her dad (papadakis' brother) and her mom. papadakis, being the brilliant lawyer-wanna-be and mortgage specialist, was left in charge of the property, that was free and clear of debt, until the child became adult.
what happened?
some time later, property listed for sale. childs father has to move in with his mother (where papadakis also lives.signs come down. place starts to fall apart. new signs up..and it sells, for one-third the price it was worth when the father died.
what happened? who got the money, if it sold?
papadakis bragged in his speeches and papers about his family living here since the 80s. their home was this one, the one he lost, like the ones.
this crystal beach property was not HIS to lose.
he isnt homeless. yet. though his mothers house is beginning to look a bit dilapidated.
what else dont we know?
She is now claiming that a flooded beach is a bigger problem than 100 flooded basements.
The mystery continues about where Papadakis lived in Crystal Beach,about foreclosures,property standards infractions,on and on and on.....Can we trust this guy? Are we all crazy to think that this guy has any credibility when his past is riddled with contraversy?Can we move on and let this guy conquer some other town,maybe East York can claim him again! GO HOME PAPDAKIS!!!!!!!!One more thing,take poopy pants Bowers with you!!!!
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